Battlefield 3 server rules

[Silverback]

Dear Gentlemen of FFF,

Forgive me if I am wrong but does FFF not stand for Friends Fun and Fairplay?

I would just like to bring to your attention that am I correct in saying Spawn Rape; ie. The shooting or attacking into enemy spawn base is not allowed?

If so on the FFF and SE server for BF3 why are so many members of both affiliated clans blatantly ignoring this rule?
It's a joke and fine when they are doing it then criticizing other players when they do it and using Administrator tools to kick offenders.

Should we not lead by example?

I will play any game by any rules as long as it is consistent and everyone plays by the server rules and more importantly the clans code.

This is predominantly the chief reason why I chose to accept the invitation to join the clan because of Friends, Fun and Fairplay.

It would seem to me that some of our rules need to be clarified with all our members and our brothers and sisters over in SE.

I am not mentioning any names but those people who are aware of this being a breach of server and clan rules should take note.

I am not moaning or causing an argument but feel some people should watch what they are doing.

Thank you and sorry I had to make this post.

 

[TehShadow73]

Since it apperently has something to do with me, i give my point of view. There was an annoying sniper, covering the right servicetunnel. I took the tank, to get him. He wasnt in spawn. Then a jeep appeared atm that i made my exit of the tunnel. I shot it. Its for sure not in spawn, or base (that is at least 50m behind that spot i shot it). I also could have waited in the tunnel, and would have shot the same jeep. People shooting that direction, also baseraping (and i mean in the middle of the tunnel to people entering it). Somebody else, said he spawnraped, and admitted it.

SO, i get wrongly accused, and then to read this.... I am really stunned, by the fact that such person, accusing me wrongly, being a friend? Then, when, and i quote: "I will play any game by any rules as long as it is consistent and everyone plays by the server rules and more importantly the clans code.", does the very same himself? Not only today, after the "incident", of which i am completely not guilty of any of these charges, but does it himself on other servers? Which brings me to the next quote: "Should we not lead by example?". Weird...

Then, what this means: "It's a joke and fine when they are doing it then criticizing other players when they do it and using Administrator tools to kick offenders.", i dont have a clue.... The other that admitted being spawnraping, hasnt admin rights. I dont have them as well. So, refering to this, writing nonsense..... I rest my case....

Do whatever you want, but remember, the way u treat me, i dont forget!

To make it all easy, i stay away from that server, so no more redicule wrong accusements have to be made in my direction!

Grtz TehShadow73.

 

[Silverback]

SO, i get wrongly accused, and then to read this.... I am really stunned, by the fact that such person, accusing me wrongly, being a friend? Then, when, and i quote: "I will play any game by any rules as long as it is consistent and everyone plays by the server rules and more importantly the clans code.", does the very same himself? Not only today, after the "incident", of which i am completely not guilty of any of these charges, but does it himself on other servers? Which brings me to the next quote: "Should we not lead by example?". Weird...

This dos not have to be a public slanging match mate but I never Base rape. FACT
Also buy your own admission of guilt you have identified yourself as an offender by posting a hostile response.
I had hoped that my generalisation had no connotations or pointed the finger at anyone, but simply reminded us all. Including myself.
Yes I did come get you once as I was sick of being shot by you amongst others in spawn. For this I apologise as I had broken the rules
The thing that annoyed me was that when I asked you not to you shouted at me and denied you were doing it. When clearly you were.
At least the other person in question apologised and refrained from doing it.

Then, what this means: "It's a joke and fine when they are doing it then criticizing other players when they do it and using Administrator tools to kick offenders.", i dont have a clue.... The other that admitted being spawnraping, hasnt admin rights. I dont have them as well. So, refering to this, writing nonsense..... I rest my case....

Whilst we are still getting to grips with policing our server if we are and as we have been playing as a team, some enemy does the for-mentioned they are first warned then kicked.

So when I say we should lead by example to avoid being hypocritical then we should.

Do whatever you want, but remember, the way u treat me, i dont forget!

To make it all easy, i stay away from that server, so no more redicule wrong accusements have to be made in my direction!

I do not see why you have become offended because I have treated you with nothing but respect and friendship. I actually enjoy your company. Let us remember that this is JUST A GAME and that WE ARE apparently ADULTS.

So what do you mean

the way u treat me, i dont forget!

This is silly and if I was not thicker skinned would find this aggressive.

Lastly there is absolutely no reason to stay away from the server and impose this self inflicting ban on your self.

If we can not talk about this Man to Man then frankly there is no point.
Remember it's all about Friendship, Fun and Fairplay but there has to be ground rules that encompass us all including me.
Also mate to say I spawn rape on other servers is not true.
If I am representing a clan I do the same on other servers as I do in ours.

I once again apologise for any offence I may have caused but I am certain I have treated you favourably.
Please do not blow this out of proportion.

Next time in TS please do not avoid me and come and kiss and make up.
Perhaps we could even get a room together!

Regards,

Silverback

 

[supertom44]

Oh dear me whats going on here.

I'm hesitant to post myself but what the hell.

I am not going to discuss the "incident" as its not for me to discuss but I do think this whole thing has been blown up more than it needs.

I'm happy to say I imagine most people, if not all have killed someone in their spawn before, be it on purpose or accident.

Fact is people have different opinions of what counts as spawn killing.

I personally think this post should not have been created at all, if it was meant to simply discuss the rules then fine but I think it could have been done in a better way as to not blow this up even more.

If people have problems or issues with each other, sort it out between yourselves.

I dont think offence was intended by either user.

So delete this thread and make up, its just a game.

Oh yeh I dont actually recall the rules for the server ever being formally discussed or decided on, its a joint server so both sides have to be involved in this.

Have to remember its a FFF and SE server and lets face it those SE guys are all a little dodgey hehe sorry couldn't resist, I love you all really.

Anyway I think thats enough random rambling I dont wanna get in the middle of this but hey I like to make my opinion know haha for better or for worse, screw it!

 

[Silverback]

Tom I do not want to delete this post as I made it to illustrate a point.

I am not creating an argument I made it very ambiguous and did not accuse anyone by name.
You are correct. This is Pathetic but if we have standards I think it's important to keep to them.
OK i GET IT. I have upset shadow. This is not intentional and I have said I am sorry.
The Fact remains the same.
Where do we stand on spawn rape?

I personally think this post should not have been created at all, if it was meant to simply discuss the rules then fine but I think it could have been done in a better way as to not blow this up even more.
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I intended this to simply discuss the rules. No names were mentioned in the original post and certainly no insults tended.

I appreciate that I am the new guy and I am and was at the time trying to sort this stupid argument out but it is not I who has thrown the toys out of the pram here.
I have values that I stick to and all I said was "Those Guys" are spawn raping.
The game is fun but not when you are constantly on the receiving end.

I will withdraw my comments if this causes offence but if this is something we can not discuss like adults then I feel I will have to offer my apologies and resign as a brief member of FFF.

 

[FFFHugo]

I have stopped reading half way through the second post.

Please discuss this man to man on TS.
Both parties have a point. Its not the first time we had this discussion about base raping. We are discussing it since we started playing Joint Operations 7 years back.

I suggest the following definition of base raping:
The "continiously" killing of enemies in a close range of their spawnpoint by camping close to the enemy spawn.
That means that one kill in spawn is not seen as baseraping but a second and third are.
Sniping from the other end of the map into base is also seen as baserape.
It is possible for objectives needs that one has to move towards the enemy spawn.
It is then allowed to spawnkill for defense reasons. F.e. if under fire.

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[Bornprouduk]

As I was on TS and the BF3 server when this occured I would like to make an observation.
This happened in BOPs where an SE member put a respawn marker in a building at our spawn and I got killed at spawn six or seven tiimes on the trot.
When you are on TS and you are the only one offended by it, it can leave you isolated in trying to reach an amiccable understanding.
I would like to see clear rules within the 2 clans about appropriate behaviour with spawn raping and tubing/launchers and see that applied equally to members and visitors to the site
or does the Fairplay in our clan title only apply when people feel like it

 

[Bornprouduk]

Silver i cleared off for a while as a result but came back as i dont think i should lose out just for the bad behaviour of a few,
Admin need to get a grip and resolve what is an ongoing issue that will cost FFF good honest members

 

[supertom44]

I think the fact still remains there is no clear set of rules for the joint server so no one can be seen as breaking these rules.

The people that have been kicked (very few in fact, we tend to admin kill them and warn them first) are people that spawn rape continuously, ie getting in a plane and just constantly flying over the spawn.

Its always tricky as if we cant kill people that are shooting us from there spawn then we are at a disadvantage.

For me its simple, you shoot at me I'll shoot back whether your in spawn or not.

I dont really see this as an ongoing issue to be honest, so far we have had very few issues with out having to decide upon an official set of rules. If you dont like the acts of one player tell them.

I know silver you didnt mention any names and I know there were no bad intentions behind this post, but it did kinda seem that you were calling him out to me, but hey thats just me. Either way this has gone too far.

 

[RobinHood]

Hi guys,

Silver - I've un-deleted this thread as you raise some good points that need to be discussed, and this is after all, a forum for discussion and we're open to receiving input from anyone who wishes to contribute regarding server feedback and clan rules.

First of all, the public slagging each other off needs to stop. Sometimes it's easy to take things the wrong way when posted up and tempers are high. If anyone would still like to discuss individual situations with people I would recommend having a friendly chat in TS just to clear the air.

The focus of this thread now is not to discuss individual incidents or people, but to raise awareness of the need for a solid set of server rules and a clear definition of spawn rape, which is now being addressed.

We already have Hugo's definition proposal here:

I suggest the following definition of base raping:
The "continiously" killing of enemies in a close range of their spawnpoint by camping close to the enemy spawn.
That means that one kill in spawn is not seen as baseraping but a second and third are.
Sniping from the other end of the map into base is also seen as baserape.
It is possible for objectives needs that one has to move towards the enemy spawn.
It is then allowed to spawnkill for defense reasons. F.e. if under fire.

The admins have begun to discuss and develop of full set of rules and definitions that will be stickied in the BF3 forum when complete. If anyone has any suggestions as to what you would like us to include or things that should be addressed in the rules then feel free to post them up and we will certainly consider all input.

Thanks

 

[Rodriguez]

hmm? why is sniping from base considered spawnkilling its hard to do .. and almost impossible

 

[Florida]

hey guys

if you have any problems just ask Kitch or myself to a different TS channel and we will do our best to resolve the issue ASAP.

please feal free to express your felling with us